Pelagius: A Patriots Saint?
Pelagius: An Heretic or Radical Religous Reformer.
A Standard view of Pelagian. Who was Pelagius: See p 469 The Oxford Companion To The Literature of Wales. Edited by Meic Stephens, published by the Oxford University Press. To briefly quote an a small extract, Pelagius (fl. 350 – 418), a theologian who was of British origin, has sometimes, especially in Wales, been called MORGAN…An opponent of the Augustine doctrine of irresistible grace…Regarded by some modern scholars as a thinker of evangelical piety or one concerned for social righteousness….It was said that Germanus/Garmon was said to have visited Britain to combat Pelagianism which was condemned by Rome in 418. But a century or later Maelgwn Gwynedd was thought to have been a Pelagian. It appears that because the ‘’Pelagian Heresy’’ continued to thrive in Wales, that the ‘’Augustines’’ of Rome and their followers in the ‘’Celtic Church’’ called upon St David to mount a campaign against the heresy. See the Conference of Llandewi Brefi. End.
Introduction: One will find much written in Wales on Saint David who has been made ‘’our’’ Patron Saint and on Pelagius very little, why this is so baffles me to say the least but there, I am of a secular patriotic mind which does not pay much attention to religion. Looking into history and in our present times in Iraq with Religious factions carrying out all kinds of awful slaughter in the name of one prophet or another, I am reminded of the Christian slaughter in their crusades against the Pagan Balts and Friesians, not least against their own fellow Christians, the Cathars, declared ‘’heretics’’ they suffered terribly at Rome’s dictat. Then of course in Western History we have the long Protest – V – Catholic Wars, so when it comes to religion I would say that it is such which has caused the worse of humanities wars and civil strife. Thus should we now in Wales attach any great importance, by in recent times a rather commercially promoted ‘’patriotic revival’’ by the Cambria Magazine/Tartan Center/ and the MHOSD connection to promote Saint David in advancing of the Welsh Identity, particularly when some might prefer Saint Beuno? Some patriots even favour Pelagius ''the heretic'' who may be our first great Welsh Radical Reformer? or may be, it should be the case that a few Patriotic Radical Nationalist believe, just say a ‘’Curse on all your Houses’’ and revert back to a ‘'Paganic Druidism'’ which may better call on our ‘Celtic Roots and Heritage’ than an ‘’Augustian Saints’’, as Saint David with links to Canterbury and Rome? Think on it!
Whilst dwelling on such possibly outdated and irrelevant Religious matters follow up the above with a read of the below, which some one recently sent to me, as information on a source to look up by those who may want to know much more about Pelagius. You could also of course search the web, and find further Information. Keeping in mind to ask the question, “Why is it even the WASPs seem to have kicked poor Pelagius into touch, why?’’ See info sent to me below:
The Jesus follower Pelagius went from these islands around 400AD, to Rome. There he was appalled by the corruption and depravity of the Catholic Church and tried to stop then the perversions practiced by many Catholic Priests to this day. Pelagius strove mightily to start the Reformation, but the corrupt degenerates were too strong for him and he was driven out of Christendom as a heretic. In 519AD a David, travelling in company with a boy, used black arts to cause the ground to rise to give him a platform to address the Celtic Bishops. He denounced Pelagius and persuaded those Bishops to join in the corrupt practices of the Church of Rome. Read a DISSERTATION on The Pelagian Heresy, AND THE REFUTATION OF IT AT LLANDDEWI BREVI BY ST. DAVID.* published in Carmarthen in 1808 by J. Evans.*Pelagius' own writing is available as "Critique of the Epistle to the Romans" in a religious encyclopaedia. He said that it is not enough to believe and be baptised, to go to Heaven, you must also be good.
Also received:
What is a Christian? Those who call themselves Christians all make a great fuss about St. Paul. Christian tracts are packed with his quotations; he is a fundamental of their Philosophy. Not Peter, not even Jesus, it is the teaching of Paul that is the fundamental of Christianity. Saul was a Fascist, one of the originals; he was given the job of killing the ideas of Jesus. He vainly pursued that objective, but found the teaching of Jesus so true it could not be stopped. He chased to suppress it, but put down here it sprang up in three or four over there. Saul was failing, and then he saw the way it could be done. Riding down the Tarsus road came the blinding revelation. "If you cannot beat them, join them" He did not report the second part "and pervert them from within". The nature of the man did not change, he is sill on the side of the slave owner. He manipulates the teachings of Jesus to the service of the State, the greatest achievement by any man in all History. Perverted from God to Satan, the root of the Church of Rome. Some four hundred years later, in the Celtic lands, where the teaching of Jesus had been restored closer to its original purity, there was an austere poverty-living Monk. He heard great things about the glory and importance of Rome, of its purity and high ideals. Off he goes as a pilgrim. But on arrival he finds the lies. Rome is a hotbed of vice. Every decadence is practised. High Fathers in the Church have all sorts of luxury and indulge in all sorts of vices, just as today. Our honest Monk was horrified, and sought the root of such depravity. So the "Critique of the letter to the Romans" was written by Pelagius. The ensuing struggle was a close run thing, but the perverts won, the honest Celtic Monk was driven out of Christendom to die in foreign poverty. His truth denounced as heresy; the truth of Jesus.
A couple of hundred years later a Missionary addressed convocation of Bishops of the Celtic Churches. He used the tricks of Satan to work apparent magic, denounced that honest Celtic monk to the Bishops and told them what they wanted to hear. They voted to join the Church of Depravity. Such are Bishops. It isn't so much their depravity that has to be denounced, such is in the nature of men, what is intolerable is their hypocrisy. The fundamental rot in Wales stems from having that supporter of child molesters as a Patron. The greatest Shame on Wales. Stop being a Christian. If you have to be religious, follow the true teaching of Jesus... if you can find it after all the editing that has been done to the Bible. Lie after lie, and clever Jesuits to mislead you into abandoning your Soul to Pope and Priests. Did you see on TV that rare man, an honest Catholic Priest, try to kiss the ring symbolic of purity and virtue worn by the Pope. And how that honest man's integrity was preserved when the Chief agent of Satan refused to allow that Kiss?
Ilyan ap Pelagius.
Pretty tough stuff, so what do you think?Pelagius or St David?